Liberty Watch

The Oath of a Freeman

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Interesting

These early documents are very instructive in understanding the foundations of our country. We referred to them often when we were homeschooling our children.

In the 1600's they were required to be a landowner/freeman to take part in the political process. At that time it required, at least in Massachusetts Bay Colony, to be a member of the Church of England. The unfortunate result of that was that many people joined the church for economic, political reasons, thereby weakening the church from a spiritual standpoint.

The idea of freedom of religion was that the state could not require membership in the state church. It was not to silence the voice of Christians, but rather to give them a voice without regulation by the state. Thomas Jefferson's letter in early Virginia that is used today to push Christians out of the marketplace of ideas, was in behalf of his cousins who were Baptists, that they should be free to worship outside of the state church.

I would submit that if we are not careful, we will lose true freedom by allowing the voices of atheism to in effect, become the "state church." That happened in Germany under Hitler, and is happening even now in China, which has a state sanctioned church loyal to communism, but persecutes the house churches putting the pastors in prison for their faith.

We are standing at a point in history that can cause us to panic, or drive us to our knees. I believe the latter is our only hope.

Charlotte M.

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"Thomas Jefferson's letter in early Virginia that is used today to push Christians out of the marketplace of ideas, was in behalf of his cousins who were Baptists, that they should be free to worship outside of the state church."
Charlotte can you give more information about this. This is absolutely critical for our peoples to know. As you know none of this is taught in public schools nor higher education anymore. The revised history that is taught is void of truths that are so important for us and our countrymen and the western world really.


would submit that if we are not careful, we will lose true freedom by allowing the voices of atheism to in effect, become the "state church." That happened in Germany under Hitler, and is happening even now in China, which has a state sanctioned church loyal to communism, but persecutes the house churches putting the pastors in prison for their faith.

I would submit that we are already losing our freedom of expression. Just look at the debates over Ben Stein's recent movie. Look at the practices of school officials in silencing Christians. Look at the rule of judges and juries on cases of Christians refusing to participate in immorality. It takes a good lawyer fighting all the way to the Supreme court to overcome these prejudices against freedom of Christian expression.
I will have to do some digging, since its been some time since I thought about this. His letter in behalf of the (Danbury?) Baptists is probably online somewhere.

Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists:

Here is the complete text of the letter from Thomas Jefferson that contains and defines the famous phrase, "wall of separation between church and state."

To Messrs. Nehemiah Dodge and Others, a Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association, in the State of Connecticut

January 1, 1802

GENTLEMAN,

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

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If it was good enough for my forefathers ,, it"s good enough for me !!!

Thanks for sharing !!

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Thank you Charlotte. The reasons and context that led up to this letter is what we are in need of learning, understanding and communicating. Too many of us are unaware or can communicate it like you have. Thank you again.
At one time I was quite involved in research around the life of Thomas Jefferson, since my ancestors were his Baptist cousins. It actually was not quite accurate to say that the Danbury Baptists were his cousins, but he was sympathetic to them because his family (His mother's Randolph relatives) were divided in regard to the established church and the non conformist Baptists. There were times when the Baptists were not allowed to meet in their homes or barns just as things are beginning to happen in some places now. His letter was important in the context for which it was meant. It did not mean that Christians could not have a voice in public affairs - in fact it was just the opposite. The legislature could make no law establishing religion (as in the Church of England) or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. It's very much appreciated.

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